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  • MF News AMFI clarified that AMCs will deduct GST from commission from July 1

    AMFI clarified that AMCs will deduct GST from commission from July 1

    AMCs will deduct GST from commission of distributors without GST registration.
    Nishant Patnaik Jun 29, 2017

    In an FAQ released yesterday, AMFI said that AMCs will deduct GST from July 1 from the commission of distributors who do not have a GST registration number and pass it on to the government.  

    Cafemutual had reported on July 21 that AMCs are likely to deduct GST from the commission of distributors who do have GST registration number on the recommendation of PwC. 

    Answering the question, ‘Does a distributor have to pay tax when the turnover is less than Rs20 lakh and if such a distributor is unregistered’, AMFI said, “No, the AMC/MF will pay tax under reverse change with respect to payments to unregistered distributors.”

    This means, fund houses will follow reverse charge mechanism to implement GST for distributors earning less than Rs20 lakh. These distributors cannot claim refund of the amount deducted under reverse charge mechanism.

    For distributors with GST registration, AMCs will continue to follow forward charge mechanism, i.e., AMCs will pay the gross commission to them. However, such distributors will have to raise an invoice for the brokerage in a specified format.

    AMFI has clarified that distributors earning less than Rs20 lakh, and selling schemes of a fund that is based outside their home state, will have to obtain a GST registration number. In addition, once a distributor obtains a GST registration number, there will be no exemption. GST has to be paid from Re1, AMFI clarified.

    However, the exemption limit for distributors from special states is Rs10 lakh a year. Special category states comprise Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Jammu and Kashmir, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, Sikkim, Tripura, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand. Since most AMCs are based out of Maharashtra, Gujarat and Tamil Nadu, distributors based out of special category states will have to obtain GST registration.

    Most of the fund officials to whom Cafemutual spoke to recommended distributors to obtain GST registration irrespective of their annual income. A senior official from a large fund house said, “Anyway, AMCs will deduct GST from commission from July 1 under reverse charge mechanism which cannot be refunded. It is better to obtain GST registration and pay GST directly to the government. Though it will attract some compliance cost and documentation, distributors can save at least some amount through input credit.”

    However, AMFI FAQ said that distributors could not avail input credit on inputs used for non-business activities, inputs used from providing exempt supplies and so on.

    Another senior official said that input credit would be beneficial for distributors with an organised set-up. “Distributors having an organised business set-up, with an office, a team and systems and processes, can get the benefits of input credit.”

    For distributors who already obtained GST registration and want to get gross commission:

    • They can send an email for their registered email id to amfigst@camsonline.com with details of the GST number. They will also have to attach scanned copies of GST registration certificates.
    • They can also visit their nearest CAMS Service Centre along with the mentioned documents.
    • They can register themselves on their own through AMFI’s website. Distributors will have to key in their ARN code and PAN details. An OTP will generate to the registered mobile number and email address. The distributor will be required to input the OTP in the relevant box and update state-wise GSTN numbers and upload the registration certificate images. This facility will be enabled on AMFI's website from 30 June, 2017.

    Click here to read the FAQ on GST>>

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    21 Comments
    D B DESAI · 6 years ago `
    What about distributors earning more than 20 lacs and no GST registration?
    Saurabh · 6 years ago
    Yes you have take gst registration
    Ritesh Kumar · 6 years ago
    I'm based in U.P. and I git registered in GST and my income is less than the threshold of 20 lakh annually... Do I need to pay the GST.

    Pls clarify
    Reply
    Ganesh Kumar Gupta · 6 years ago `
    What is the position for Maharashtra based distributor who are earning less than Rs. 20 Lakhs.
    Chhaya Bhatt · 6 years ago `
    There are basically two queries for which clarification is required :
    1) As mentioned above for those distributors who have not registered under GST as there income is below the threshold limit of Rs 20 Lakhs, it is stated in above message that the AMC's will adopt the reverse mechanism and pay the GST due and payable on the commission paid to the unregistered distributor. In light of the above my query is :

    1) Whether the amount of GST paid by the AMC will be deducted from the distributors commission. if deducted, than what will happen to the credit which the AMC can avail on the said input tax paid by them on GST paid by them under reverse charge mechanism. This would tantamount to injustice to the distributor as the AMC is going to recover the GST so deducted by them from the unregistered distributors commission. KINDLY CLARIFY ?

    2) In case the unregistered distributor is a franchise of a large distributor say for example he is the sub distributor / franchise of a large distributor than what would be the treatment effected on the commission payable by the Large Distributor to the sub distributor / or franchisee.

    In my opinion as I understand that since the large distributor is going to be definitely registered under the GST act, he will be charging GST over and above the commission from the AMC by adding the same in his invoice and the AMC will pay the GST amount which will be paid by the large distributor to the government. Hence when form this post GST paid Commission is distributed to the sub distributor /franchisee whether GST should be deducted by the Large Distributor or not or what should be the treatment for the same to be adopted by the large distributor. KINDLY CLARIFY

    Thanks & regards

    .Chhaya Bhatt
    Mumbai.
    9820262384
    babhatt@gmail.com
    Jitesh Babel · 6 years ago `
    All AMC are telling even small distributors to get registered under GST and pay tax @ 18% on commission earned from rupee 1 income on interstate service provided.

    If not they will deduct 18 percent under reverse charge mechanism and then do not give any input credit benefit to distributors but will avail the same.

    Is this not profiteering from GST and anti-profiteering clause under GST should be applicable to them?

    If I being in Rajasthan register under GST, then total of 37 returns will be applicable under GST.

    Why not make every branch in each state a separate independent registered entity under GST to avoid all this mess or take 18% GST under reverse charge and increase our commissions accordingly. Their impact would be negated to much extent as they would also avail of input tax credit.
    Meet Sugat · 6 years ago `
    What is turnover here ?
    Prashant · 6 years ago `
    What an eyewash. Distributors earning less than 20 lakbs also have to pay GST andvmore than that also havento pay. Basically this clause is a malafide clause. We are in fact made into slaves of these AMFI & SEBI. Then what is the meaning of keeping the limit of 20 lakhs if you are going to charge whether if a person earns Rs.1 or 21 lakhs? This is to benefit mutual fund companies letting them collect tax from us and take set off as well. So they can make 18% more profit straight away. What is the needbof reverse charge mechanism at all? Hiw do investors benefit from it? Why is this brought in the first place and also why is it brought in such a way that only and only AMCs.
    Gumnam · 6 years ago `
    MF Selling Band karo bhai. Sabji Becho. Aachha lagata hai. Profits are more in Sabji. You know i also don't have to study anything. No renewal of ARN etc.


    Just sell sabji and enjoy life. Life is very easy at Sabji Tehla. Very hard when selling MFs.

    Every Galliwale are waiting for me now. And I used to say, "Sabji lelo bhai sabji. MF se sasti Sabji lelo."

    To all IFAs - "If you want my business idea, please contact me on given details."
    Vijayan · 6 years ago `
    In fact, Brokerage to IFA is at a % of AUM of distributor on daily basis, whether trail or upfront. GST is at 18 % of this to be collected by distributors from AMC and paid to Govt after taking input credit for the eligible GST paid out.
    The same payment cycle happens when AMC raise invoice on Fund House with their bill plus 18% GST and pay the GST to Govt after taking input credit from bills raised on AMC by IFAs and other service providers.
    This means the GST billed by IFAs are to be released in addition to the commission. This is the fair approach. Hope the GST amount should be paid over and above the brokerage for GST registered service providers to pay to Govt. As input credit available to AMCs, no increase in expense ratio. The terms, brokerage is inclusive of service tax is unfair and create double benefits to AMCs against the rightful claim of IFAs.
    K.V Raghupathi · 6 years ago `
    A senior official of a large fund house offers charity advice to IFAs who are made to be deprived of legitamate exemption of Rs. 20.00 Lakhs, to get registered to take credit of service tax on other taxable services. The cruel reality is, but for telephone, mobile and Internet services none of other services are subject to service tax liability which counts for 18% of a few thousand rupees, I.e., around Rs. 750 but AMCs made IFAs to pay 18% of their brokerage.

    Gross up of brokerage can only happen when the service receiver is either illiterate or ignorant of doing fair business. But, as many of CEOs are themselves are chartered accountants, who are able to interpret the law, I am not dare enough to call them as illiterate or ignorant of fair business law.

    It is the mischievous interpretation of law to their advantage. Why PwC was not assigned to interpret the law as to whose obligation, not the responsibility, is the service tax, whether that of AMCs the service receiver or the IFAs the service provider.

    IFAs are the cheapest human resource available for the industry. It is upto the AMCs to hold the IFAs for their own prosperity. Else, days are not too far off, moffusal cities like Shimoga, AMCs to struggle to get connect to the IFAs, the brand ambassador of any AMC.
    Sunil Joshi · 6 years ago `
    First the efforts from SEBI to disclose commission and now this GST deduction will prove to be last mail in coffin.if an IFA already falls in 20% income tax slab from other sources ( i am sure many of us will be in this category) and he also earn commission by selling MF then he will shell out 20% income tax and 18% gst if donot register himself. So total 38% goes to government,then why will he sell mutual fund.one of our friends rightly said sabji becho.
    Dear all there is a conspiracy to kill IFAs
    Rajesh sethi · 6 years ago `
    I understand from all the concall`s that intra state distributors who`s turnover is less than 20 lacs is exempted from registering and will be free from compliances but if he is inter state then its compulsory to register and non-compliance will lead to legal issues. Now in cases where a distributor is registered with even a single AMC which is has a registered office outside his state it will be treated as inter state. Like ,Sundaram, IDFC extra. Now in both the cases the IFA's stand to loose if he is unregistered he looses on RCM and if registered he has to pay GST. Which he was exempted from on the threshold limit of 10 lacs. Need to rectify these as even earlier the govt. was not collecting services tax but was on RCM for AMC .
    Deviprakash · 6 years ago `
    What absurdity is this? AMCs are showing total dadagiri. First they deduct 18% GST and then we pay Income tax upto 30% on the income. What remains for us?

    The Minister is gong around on all TV channels, proclaiming that small traders (distributors), i.e. those with annual turnover <20lacs need not take GST regn or file 37 returns per year. Further, he is claiming with a grin, that GST will "HURT NO ONE, EXCEPT THOSE WITH HIDDEN INCOME". Please show me the hidden income in our meager commissions. Obviously, they have not worked properly on the GST regime before introducing it, atleast not on the distributor mechanism.

    Ever since this Government cam to power, they have been after distributor commissions. Looks like the AMCs too want the distributors to stop doing biz with them and hence conveniently look the other way.
    Nisith Vyas · 6 years ago `
    I am earning 2000 a year avg. So do I nees GST and How it will affect it my 1500 brokerage
    R Varadarajan · 6 years ago `
    All these steps are to wipe out the IFAs who cannot afford to submit plethora of returns, assessment, notices, etc, so as to encourage the the corporates agents to earn millions.
    sumit khandelwal · 6 years ago `
    The mechanism of GST should be very clear. The main motto of the indian government regarding GST is "ONE COUNTRY ONE TAX".
    But if i earn rs 18 lac in a year in uttar pradesh , i have to pay GST of 18%. why???????????. because i m not registered in maharastra, while at the same time if a guy earn rs 18 lacs . he need not to pay 18% GST.
    Because he is registered in MAHARASTRA........... IF it is so then where is ONE COUNTRY ONE TAX.
    Rakesh Lahori · 6 years ago
    My Dear Friend,
    I am from Maharashtra earning below Rs.20 Lacs. I am not needed to be registered for GST. But AMC's will deduct 18% from my Commission payouts every month. So dont worry, every one is sailing in the same boat.
    Rakesh Lahori
    Reply
    vipan · 6 years ago `
    As Per the exemption limit for distributors from special states is Rs10 lakh a year. Special category states comprise Arunachal Pradesh, Assam, Jammu and Kashmir, Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, Sikkim, Tripura, Himachal Pradesh and Uttarakhand. Since most AMCs are based out of Maharashtra, Gujarat and Tamil Nadu, distributors based out of special category states will have to obtain GST registration.
    But my query is that as I fall in special state i.e himachal pradesh and have already obtained GST no. Whether exemption limit Rs.10 lakh a year is applicable as none of the amc is registered in himachal pradesh. In this scenario what is GST applicability for special states. plz clarify.
    p k jain · 6 years ago `
    Nothing will be reduce from previous years. As in 2016-17, service tax payable on above 10 lac of income. Then GST, how is applicable to amfi agent's below 10 lac of income. EVEN IN ANY STATE. AS SAID ON GST IT WILL BE 20 LAC on PREVIOUS YEAR.
    PLEASE SEE AND GET CLARIFY.
    Vinay Shah · 6 years ago `
    GST la refund keshe hoga kya 18% se kam hone ke sambhavna hai
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