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  • Business Development ‘It is not true that people are not willing to pay fees. We are afraid to ask'

    ‘It is not true that people are not willing to pay fees. We are afraid to ask'

    This series will feature advisers who charge fee from their clients. In the first series, Suresh Sadagopan, Founder of Ladder7 Advisories narrates how he started charging fee, what problems he faced and how he tackled them.
    Banali Banerjee Oct 15, 2016

    The initial stage

    I started charging fees in 2004. Initially, I charged my clients a small fee and increased it over time after gaining experience as the plans and advise that I stared offering became better and more detailed. I did not encounter much resistance as the fee was not high in the beginning. When my fees crossed Rs. 25, 000, I did encounter people who felt that they may not be able to afford us. They were hesitant to pay me a higher amount for my services. To tackle this, I started focussing on those clients who were willing to pay me fees.

    How to talk to clients about fee

    I used to tell them about the services that I would be providing and consequently the fees I would charge - it was as simple as that. I was quite upfront about this. I used to talk about fee unapologetically, without flinching. I think that helped. It is not true that people are not willing to pay fees. We are afraid to ask. We need to position our services and show them the benefits and I am sure that many of them will pay.

    The mind set problem

    Some clients may not be willing to pay as many distributors do not charge a fee and tell their investors that they offer advice for ‘free’. This ‘free’ advice is actually not free. They get remuneration based on products that they are able to sell. Even investors know that when products are sold, there is a commission embedded. Many people are fine with such embedded commissions rather than direct fees. It is a mind-set issue. This has to be broken.

    Fee structure

    We charge a flat fee for preparing a plan and an AUM based fee for on-going services. The flat fee can differ from client to client. On-going fees are typically charged on a quarterly basis. The plan fee is taken upfront.

    Advice to fellow IFAs

    The approach has to change. We are not confident enough to ask for a fee. We need to upgrade ourselves to the point where we are confident that what we offer is good value to our clients. Once we ourselves are convinced, we need to communicate our value proposition in no uncertain terms to the client. With this approach, clients would take you seriously and lot more conversions would happen.

    Also, it is a big myth that people who pay or who can pay are in the metros or in big cities. I have clients from smaller cities and they pay the same fee. It is just a matter of conviction. We need to be sure about ourselves and not accept clients who are not willing to value our services appropriately. There are enough and more people in any city or town who are willing to pay. You just need to find them and position yourself and your services to them.

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    8 Comments
    R Tayal · 7 years ago `
    Many clients do not even wish to pay out of pocket expanses ,IT return filing fee etc
    Prashant · 7 years ago `
    The question is not how to ask for fees. But the entire regulation has come to benefit AMCs at the cost of customers. Now AMCs will not pay commissions and any incentives which they had to manage from their TER. Now all that will go so AMCs will keep the entire expense ratio to themselves which they can and for sure will hike at any point of time. We distributors are also not unitedly opposing these regulations so we are helping AMCs to cut our pockets to fill theirs. We all know in fee based model the cost of the products go up so high that the customer always looses. 44 AMCs against 3 crore people. How does this regulation be justified?
    Prashant · 7 years ago `
    Why are AMCs so greedy? They want to earn more in percentage terms(which will increase margin so the customer looses) which should be in volume terms earn less in percentage bit volume based earning.. This is clearly inorganic growth and not organic growth. Why SEBI allowes them to increase their margin and make the product so very expensive for 3 crore people at the cost of not even 44 AMCs but just a handful No of AMCs which will be benefitted and by enlarge many AMCs will actually lose a lot of business. Their lobby is so strong that they through SEBI are bringing all kinds of regulations benefiting them. Should we not think in the same line and unite do we can raise our voice so loud that they will have to listen and do what we want not only for us but for customers. SEBI on one hand said that the cost is high than how does this regulation bring down cost? If SEBI comes under RTI then we should ask them under RTI on what grounds this regulation has been brought upon. What was the study undertaken for this? They want small investors to go direct since the cost will be exorbitant for them. When they go to AMC the person advising them will he RIA? Will SEBI punish them if they do both advise & distribute?
    Moneybhai · 7 years ago `
    Client will pay fees right now but mark my word they will stop paying fees after few years as they will have more options available and also knowledge with them to make the right decision. However free food will always be there in terms of market news and knowledge is concerned. If I consider myself as an investor I would pay fees to only those who try to make more money than what I can do myself. For everything else there is technology and media to support us mentally and emotionally. For that I don't need someone for to abuse them or sit and cry with them or give me fake moral support and sympathy. However this industry will only be for Big Investors and all small investors will stay away or make losses with their money or make less returns in the universe since they cannot pay fees. Those who can pay for such investors there are already 10 advisor chasing them in line.

    There is no doubt that tons of jobs will be lost and lots of cost will be increased so even advisors will have no choice but to pass on the burden onto investors and they will have to bear the additional cost either by paying fees or some other method.

    All this clearly suggests that SEBI is not concerned for small investors and it is not doing anything to protect them either. A regulator should lay rules but to only protect the system and its functions and not to make and define rules for business to work and operate.
    atul shah · 7 years ago `
    Please narrate/discuss about services YOU provide--- Are you working/ representing you as "part time accountant" of clients who pay fees?Are you required to help clients in I/T returns? Do you provide door to door services 24* 7-- 365 days a year?
    Does your fee include your efforts for other financial products too, where you are not earning single rupee in any form? Please discuss ---- I compare IFA's advisory fees with consultation charges(Rs 500- to 2000/- per one consultation by M.D physicians & other doctors---
    Mohsin Khan · 7 years ago `
    Probably, the client will pay double fees, if the portfolio value would be half, due to market volatility.. ????????????
    Ganesh Gupta · 7 years ago `
    In a small town like Golaghat in Assam, people hesitate to pay Rs. 200 to physicians for consultation. The whole idea is to help revive failed concept of Investment Advisory launched 3 years back. Now bank backed AMC's want a new model to increase their profit.

    The need of the hour is better financial inclusion through Mutual Fund but SEBI is not concerned about it because it is only the duty of Banks, Finance Ministry and our PM to think about financial inclusion.

    Small distributors can not express their views in the consultation paper, only their representative bodies can. However I am not associated with any representative body and wish to express my views and have sent a email to SEBI seeking permission to send my views/observations to them but received no reply.

    Its a election where the result is already decided at the cost of small investors.
    atul shah · 7 years ago `
    TO:- All Dear Advisors charging fees---- Please throw some lights on my previous comments.. on same page for your services---- Fees for advise only like doctors or charges for all clerical + logistic + guidance work?
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