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  • MF News ‘Investors worry whether fee-based services is another way to extract additional money’

    ‘Investors worry whether fee-based services is another way to extract additional money’

    In an e-mail interview, Krishna Rath, a SEBI registered investment adviser and founder of finvestor.in, shares his journey as an RIA.
    Padmaja Choudhury Nov 29, 2017

    What preparation did you do to register with SEBI as RIA?

    I had registered as a SEBI RIA in 2015, as I wanted to start online financial advisory services. At that time, apart from the SEBI instructions, there was little information on how to register. However, the SEBI instructions were quite detailed and it was prompt in responding via emails.

    In terms of the preparation, I was ready with all the pre-compliance work such as net worth certification, passing of exams - Investor Advisor exam A and B. Since I did not have a commission-based business, I did not have any thoughts on commission versus fees.

    Why do you think that Indian investors are mature enough to pay fee for financial advice?

    Back in 2015, it was very difficult to even explain what fee based investment was. No one wanted to pay a single rupee and many did not believe that their friendly LIC agent was, in fact, taking commissions.  The situation has improved with more RIAs being on-boarded and everyone in the RIA community educating the masses. Having said that, it is still very difficult to acquire customers.

    Indian customers are mostly ad-hoc purchasers of financial products and look only for short-term tax saving goals. In addition, when we approach customers explaining to them how commission based practice is different from fee-based practice; there is a sense of disbelief. They are concerned whether fee-based services is another way to extract additional money from the customer.

    Is the process of registering complex? If yes, what difficulties did you face?

    Registration is not that difficult. It is now online and made easier. The only problem is running around for the issuance of the demand draft twice, first before registration and second time after approval.

    What roadblocks did you come across in SEBIs Investment Adviser Regulations?

    I have no problems with the current regulations. I think the current regulations of maintaining KYC records and ensuring meeting the minimal net worth for an Individual RIA is manageable.

    SEBI has announced a 400% hike in the registration fee for LLPs, firms and corporates. Do you think the increase in fee would deter IFAs to register with SEBI?

    Yes, many are deferring, and many are registering as an Individual RIA. Some continue to run their existing company as a separate entity. The fees are too high for financial companies that are already struggling with other compliance requirements. The high fees is a good way to eliminate the bad lemons, however, it also leads to low registration thereby preventing the emergence of a more stronger, more vibrant RIA community.

    What are the benefits of registering with SEBI as RIA?

    The immediate result is the tag with "SEBI"! This brings in a bit of confidence when we talk to potential customers. The stricter entry rules also build confidence in the customers.

    Financial advisors can continue to charge a fee (for making plans, account maintenance etc.) and earn trail fee even if they do not register with SEBI. Why should one register with SEBI?

    It is better to be on the side of compliance and be ready for the RIA world. In more developed countries, fee-only advisory is popular and it is only a matter of time that Indians will realize the importance of fee-only RIAs. With the RIA numbers rising, albeit slowly, the image of the financial advisory services will improve. In addition, being RIA enables you to provide financial advice which is the key element in financial advisory, while the documentation part is mere administrative.

    What are your views on the cost of compliance with SEBI's RIA rules?

    For an Individual RIA, the costs seem reasonable, as the only requirements are to maintain the net worth and ensure documentation of the advisory and customers.

    Only 700 have registered as RIAs so far. What are the reasons for a majority of IFAs to not register with SEBI?

    Most do not see value in being RIA. Indian customers do not really care - all they need are a few mutual funds and insurance policies. Once the customers see value in getting advice from an RIA, then the IFAs will move to the RIA model. The regulation is becoming strict, but that will take time.

    What kind of due diligence you have to undertake after being an IA?

    It is important in these days of privacy scams to ensure that customer records are kept confidential and secured so that no customer information is leaked. Maintaining transaction details, ensuring that the right disclosures are in place are some other items on the checklist.

    What would be your advice to IFAs who are considering registering with SEBI as RIA?

    Go for it, worth the effort, and be the RIA who can change and influence the future.

     

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    7 Comments
    vishal rastogi · 6 years ago `
    First Congrats to Krishna Rath' for success in ur venture as RIA. However we do not know , which city u belong & practice too. Its my or say many view that only few investors are ready for such advice or to pay against their planning & management in micro cities one would hardly find some !, their may be HNI clients in Metro or bigger City who r really ready to go through.
    I think Regulator & Govt. should try to promote advisor 's by giving them some liberty in taking the fees , commission or both before the investors get much matured to understand the value of RIA Practice ......
    Krishna Rath · 6 years ago
    Thanks. I started with friends circle in Pune and starting in Bhubaneswar
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    bhanu prasad suda · 6 years ago `
    I became Ria recently, I have tested this model prior to becoming Ria, This is working for me. But I agree majority of the clients are not ready for paying fees, But this is way to go. In future Ria model only can exist. I belong to B15 city, I am getting clients who can pay me fees.
    bhanu prasad suda · 6 years ago `
    I am on boarding clients who are very discipline and serious about their goals and gives value to my time and pays me fee. I used to charge some thing since I got ARN, for example if a client wants to Rs.5,000, I used to charge Rs.5,000 prior to becoming Ria, Now, after becoming Ria, I do not have a problem, because paying fees is not new to my existing clients. But I agree one thing with all my experience I came to know we should not on board those who are doing goal oriented investment. We can survive if we have 100 clients who are investing goal oriented. 1000 or 2000 clients not necessary.
    Sadanand Thakur · 6 years ago `
    SEBI should check how much it will beneficial to investors taking fee based advise instead of investing through advisers. Though there is higher returns from direct plans, which RIA's are suggesting after taking fees, it also should be calculated that if that fees is invested in the scheme in addition to the investment the investor is desirous to invest, instead of paying fees to RIA, what will be difference in actual earning by the investors. What %age of gain investor is getting in long term. There are many knowledgeable advisers who are giving unbiased advise to their clients, hence this issue should be handled carefully. For this fees structures of RIA should be taken in to consideration, lumpsome fees and recurring annual fees. Diff in annual trail commissions paid to distributors and annual fees based on AUM charged by the RIA's should be considered for this purpose. SEBI as well as all authorities should consider this before coming to any decision in this regards. If necessary SEBI should make the alternate arrangements to check the knowledge of existing advisers so that they should not suffer.
    prashant · 6 years ago
    My friend how will SEBI check knowledge level of existing advisors? For that they will have ti hire another group of advisors because they themselves are not competent enough to do it and follow what AMFI and AMCs tell them to. This rule is not for our country but for foreign countries only wher in they benefit the Companies at the cost of distributors and Investors.
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    prashant shah · 6 years ago `
    Foolish argument. Why is RIA required when a distributors(IFAs) are giving right advise and earning the brokerage which is their right. In disguise of making the product cheap they are making it more expensive by charging fees. The service which IFAs provide is much more valuable than that. There are innumerable services we have to provide to our clients against which we can only get 1% trail maximum which is not even enough to keep our family running but we still do it.Show us one business where a businessman gets 1% and he has to be happy and as and when SEBI and AMFI wishes it goes down because they will regulate our commissions but never the salaries of employees. It is much lower but fees will be much higher but still SEBI wants to promote RIA just to prove that they are right in bringing this nonsensical and malafide (Because the only community who wins or earns more is AMCs) regulations. A/C cabins are not for them to sit but it is for them to use for managing office work but they actually have to go out and talk to people on the road to understand what is right and what is wrong. Which I am sure they have never done and will never do. it is clear that all the regulators including SEBI, IRDAI and RBI works for the betterment and to give more profits to the industry they are supposed to regulate at the cost of people of the country
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