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  • MF News ‘SIP is not a smart system for investors’

    ‘SIP is not a smart system for investors’

    Samco Securities has launched a new robo advisory and mutual fund research platform called RankMF, which will recommend clients to skip their SIPs when valuations are high.
    Team Cafemutual Nov 28, 2018

    Is it wise to ask clients to continue SIPs even if market valuations are high? If you are not recommending them to invest in mutual funds through lumpsum in such markets, why should you advice your clients to continue SIPs, asked an online discount brokerage firm, Samco Securities, which has announced the launch of its new robo advisory and mutual fund research platform for investors called RankMF.

    In a press release, the company said, “SIP is not systematic or smart investing. It is simply automated investing; starting a mutual fund SIP and continuing to invest in it at all times through market ups and down has nothing to do with systematic investing.  SIP is not a smart system. The RankMF SmartSIP TM System solves this problem. Based on the margin of safety in the markets, RankMF generates signals, which you should follow for your SIPs.”

    Here are these signals

    Like signal: Begin or continue your SIP when markets are reasonably valued

    Skip SIP: Skip your SIP for the month since markets are in an expensive phase offering lower value for money

    Dislike signal: Markets are extremely expensive and you should skip and sell your SIP

    2 Likes signal: Increase your investments or double your SIP since markets are relatively cheap and offer great margin of safety or value for money.

    Omkeshwar Singh who is heading Rank MF told Cafemutual that his company has the courage to say no to investors. He said, “Investment professionals always sound bullish. However, wealth creation is a journey and investors should take care of it wisely. We will strongly recommend our clients not to invest in mutual funds if valuations are expensive. We believe this will multiply wealth for our clients.”

    Apart from robo advisory, the platform offers mutual fund research to investors under its section ‘Kaunsa sa mutual fund sahi hai’.

    Singh said that the platform would not look at past performance to rank schemes; instead, it considers quality of portfolio to evaluate future performance.

    The company said, “RankMF ratings and ranks are completely independent. It not only rates and ranks on past performance, but also on a variety of factors by using over 20 million data points such as expense ratios, standard deviation, beta, market valuations and multiples, portfolio holdings and diversification/concentration of portfolio, the cash ratio of a fund, size of the fund, the predicted yields and others. RankMF analyses the most important factor, which is the quality of actual portfolio holdings since that is going to deliver real returns to investors and not historical returns which are used by other ranking platforms.”

    The platform will also recommend schemes investors should avoid. Singh said, “We will display thumps up and down to rank a scheme. If we recommend thumps up then investors can invest or increase their investment in a fund and vice versa. We are perhaps the only distributor, which will display schemes that investors should avoid. We have named it ‘Kaunsa Mutual Fund Sahi Nahi hai’.”

    It is pertinent to mention that Samco Securities approached SEBI in June 2018 to launch mutual fund business.

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    17 Comments
    Pramod Bhutani · 6 years ago `
    is this practical in real life in SIP model? this we can do execute in STP model using different offline models of AMCs. secondly have you calculated the returns in this SIP Strategy, if yes what difference you found in returns?
    Omkeshwar Singh · 6 years ago
    Yes , this is backtested for 30 year with 5 year cycle, and the average outperformance was 5.9%...across the period there wasn't any period where Smart SIP underperformed.
    Vidyanand · 6 years ago
    Out performance can be even bettered if investor invests additional amount than the normal installment at lower valuations. Or this out performance after taking into account of additional investment?

    Investment out performance in percentage terms is given in this strategy. But what about achieving the financial goals with target amount? What is the assumption of returns in such cases?

    Anyhow this strategy requires constant monitoring & liquidity. As advisor you handle monitoring part but liquidity has to be addressed by clients. Do you really think average retail investor can assimilate all these aspects into his investing?

    You rightly mentioned that not historical returns but underlying portfolio is important for the future performance. But then SMARTSIP decisions are based on market valuations of benchmark indexes or valuations of individual schemes?

    You claimed that you are the only Distributor who categories schemes into " Kaunse Mutual Fund Sahi Nahi Hai". Isn't it already defined by low ratings? Or you saying that you categories some of the popular funds with high ratings as "Sahi Nahi Hai"?
    Omkeshwar Singh · 6 years ago
    Out ratings are not based past performance of Mutual funds schemes but on the underlying assets ... there isn't any unrated schemes at RankMF , once we did our analysis we found many wealth creating funds that have been unrated till now and hence most retail investors have never considered them.... Further since RankMF research and ratings is not based upon past performance, it is able to rate and rank relatively very new funds... For details you can visit https://www.rankmf.com/why-us
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    AANEEV · 6 years ago `
    He probably doesnt know about STP, moreover they will confuse the investors! God bless their clients!
    Pronay Kanti Chakraborty · 6 years ago `
    The concept "RankMF" add some twist to the system of sips agreed , but when ever we advice sips for our clients , it's absolutely goal based. So today's correction or appreciation doesn't make any sense for long term investors. We are here not to make our investors everytime happy . Rather if we really want to do good for our investors, we have to advice them to invest lump sum in liquid fund and to do STPs in funds, according to their risk appetite, IN VOLATILE MARKET. In this way a investor can create wealth in long term
    Secondly , when advising to our clients, we must be careful of the diversification. The fund which is not doing good today, might be one of the best in future. We know well that so may value funds doesn't performed well due to holding of cyclical stocks
    The might be one of the best performer in future when the cyclical stock perform.
    Omkeshwar Singh · 6 years ago
    It's an additional option available to our clients, traditional as well as Smart SIP that is based upon our proprietary ratings and margin of safety.
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    Prashant · 6 years ago `
    I feel SIPs are not for returns but it is for mainly 2 reasons.
    1) Since nobody and i mean absolutely no one can time the market this method helps in getting an average value.
    2) It doesn't hurt the investor's pocket since there is a fixed out go every month which he or she can plan and keep.
    Preeti Grover · 6 years ago `
    I don't agree with this. Sip's are goal based and they promotes the habit of saving and investing in an discipline manner. If we have to time the market then I think direct stocks are better option.

    Kamal Garg · 6 years ago `
    If it has been back tested for 30 years (to my knowledge, Indian MF industry is roughly 23-24 years old, so how you have back tested your methodology for 30 years), why don't you share the data for different time periods and cycles so that your esteemed readers can under the process, methodology and other nuances of your study.
    Secondly, why you are asking for mobile number of your registered clients on your website. If the service is 'truly free' as in case of VRO, then, you must give a large number of your website for free access to your customers and even if registration is required, only ask for email id/user id.
    Niranjan · 6 years ago `
    Don't agree. I have always recommended SIPs not because they are efficient, but because they are practical, convenient and simple to understand. Every month Rs.10,000 will be deducted from your account and will be invested. That's it! If I try to explain P/E ratios etc to my clients, they will run away. When an investor becomes smart enough to understand all this, he / she will go for private stock advisory and take their own decision.
    Sumeet Makhija · 6 years ago `
    Basically, they are trying to time the Market. According to the company, they are pretty sure that when the SIPs will be stopped during high market rate, then they will be correctly able to tell when should it be started again (in short when will the market be cheap enough). It's impossible to do so.
    Manjay Bagla · 6 years ago `
    As peter lynch says, “Far too much Money is lost, trying to time the mark than it’s lost in the market after investing”...!
    Another Gimmick to confuse investors. Thanks
    Atul · 6 years ago `
    Shortfall in goal corpus when the need arises doesn't make sense to the clients even if the portfolio shows more than average high returns. What matters most for clients is having the right amount of money at the right point of time even if it is accumulated at an average rate of returns.
    DC · 6 years ago `
    Backtesting is a sham...that too for 30 years....laughable....anyone can make backtesting look good as per their convenience.

    Actual performance since launch is the one to look out for
    jaideep · 6 years ago `
    Though I cannot comment on the RankMF product, I have some comments in the matter. Back testing does not always work out well. We have the case of one of the first 'quant' funds called Lotus Agile, which had no fund manager intervention and was to invest based on a back tested computer model, the results were disastrous. There was another fund by JM, which too picked out the top dozen index stocks and rotated them based on a back tested computer model, again pathetic results. Finally, if we have to time the market, there will be confusion at the investor end. One will not know when a SIP is going to end, if intermediate SIPs are missed out, due to market conditions. I feel that SIPs introduce a regular investing discipline, which should be followed by investors, whether for goals, or otherwise.
    Pratap patra · 6 years ago `
    All these things are to provoke and attract customers then to make lot of transactions and then to charge advisory fees in future. If SAMCO has the capability to identify the highs and lows of market then I am plz tell us the current market scenario and is it the low or the high of market. For God's sake don't confuse common people and let them decide their goal and let them achieve.
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